Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies

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Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

These two sources, among many others, are currently being used in the Muhammad article.

Rodgers, Russ (2012). The Generalship of Muhammad: Battles and Campaigns of the Prophet of Allah. University Press of Florida. ISBN 978-0-8130-3766-0.
Rodinson, Maxime (2021) [1961]. Muhammad. NYRB Classics. Translated by Carter, Anne. New York Review of Books. ISBN 978-1-68137-493-2.

Should both be replaced with other sources, thereby deeming these two sources unreliable? — Kaalakaa ^(talk) 05:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Charles III

Should the king's role as the honorary and ceremonial -- but not technically hereditary -- Head of the Commonwealth be mentioned in the main "bio" infobox? If so, in what manner? Should it be mentioned in the article's lead section? 109.255.211.6 (talk) 01:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump

Issue: In a 2017 RfC, it was determined that this article should not refer to Donald Trump as a "liar" or statements by Trump as "lies". This consensus has recently been challenged in this discussion.

Question: Should consensus 22 (not calling Trump a "liar" in Wikipedia's voice) be cancelled?

Cortador (talk) 19:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Max von Sydow

Should the first sentence say Swedish-born French, Swedish-French or some other option? Should we omit von Sydow's nationality in the first sentence and explain it later?

As for previous conversations, see this, this and this.

Thedarkknightli (talk) 09:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Leonid Brezhnev

A dispute has arisen over whether the final sentence of the lede's third paragraph should reflect that Brezhnev's policies badly strained the Soviet economy (A) "in later years following his death " or (B) "during the later years of his rule and long after his death". Based on the evidence presented in the body of the article, which of the aforementioned interpretations is acceptable for the article's lede? Emiya1980 (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sutherland Springs church shooting

Should we include "motherfuckers" in this article? Three options: -- GreenC 15:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Alexander the Great

Should the ancient kingdom of Macedon be described as Greek at the time of Alexander the Great?

If you have time, please read the arguments in the references in footnote (d) in Alexander the Great's page already posted online above (see "Questioning Alexander the Great's identity) but if you do not have much time, please focus on Fine (1983) who summarizes modern scholarship as "almost unanimously recognizes them as Greeks" but did not qualify the timeline and did not use the phrases "reached consensus" nor "reached unanimity".

Based on the references in footnote (d), the debate regarding this matter has been ongoing for decades among historians but only references that sided with the argument that the ancient Macedonians were Greek are included in the references in footnote (d).

I am not a historian, hence, I do not have access to published books nor to scientific journals. My only references are from tertiary, but reputable, sources: (1) from MIT.edu that states: "all historians admit that by Roman times the ancient Macedonians were fully homogenized with the rest of Greeks, and that Macedonia stopped existing as a separate socio-cultural entity some 600 years before any contact with the first Slavs in the Balkans."; (2) Encyclopedia Britannica and (3) National Geographic Society, the latter two of which describe the kingdom of Macedon on the topic Alexander the Great as "ancient", not "ancient Greek".

Two editors above argue that the MIT.edu source is dated and was published "during the Clinton administration". I do not know exactly when the MIT page was published.

In addition, the two editors claim they have consensus, because there are two vs. one (me) and based on this consensus, the "ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon" is the proper description.

As a compromise, I asked the two editors to add a subtopic under Alexander the Great's page that describes the debate among historians that includes both arguments, and revert to "ancient" to describe the kingdom of Macedon until the historians have reached consensus on this matter.

Please comment. 142.186.63.204 (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Naseem Hamed/RFC on Ethnicity

Should the lede sentence describe the nationality and ethnicity of the subject as:

A. Naseem Hamed is a British-Yemeni boxer.
B, Naseem Hamed is a British boxer of Yemeni descent.
C. Naseem Hamed is a British boxer.

? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Greta Gerwig

Should the order of occupation in the lead be changed from American actress, writer, and director to American director, writer, and actress?

Review the previous discussion here. Nemov (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Frederick the Great

Which of the following should serve as the infobox picture for Frederick the Great?

A
A2 (Current Image)
B
C
D
E

Emiya1980 (talk) 11:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Emir Abdelkader

Should this statement: "Abdelkader's family was one of the most influential in the Arab Hashim tribe, which, after residing for a long time in the Rif region of Morocco, moved and established itself in the 18th century in the Beylik of Oran.^[1]^[2]^[3]" be included in the early years section?808 AD (talk) 16:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Benito Mussolini

Which of the following images should serve as the infobox picture for Benito Mussolini?

A (Current Image)
B
B2
C
D
E
F

Emiya1980 (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Dmitri Shostakovich

Should a listing of Shostakovich's marriages with wedding and death/divorce years be included in the infobox? Please provide your choice of either Option 1 or Option 2 along with a brief statement explaining your choice in the "Survey" section below. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Gigi Hadid

Should we include information about her pro-Palestinian stance and related death threats? -- Tobby72 (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

^ Brill, E. J. (1993). E.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam: 1913-1936. A - Bābā Beg. BRILL. ISBN 978-90-04-09787-2.
^ "ʿAbd al-Ḳādir b. Muḥyī l-Dīn". referenceworks. doi:10.1163/9789004206106_eifo_SIM_0092. Retrieved 2024-05-21.
^ Larousse, Éditions. "Abd el-Kader en arabe 'Abd al-Qādir ibn Muḥyī al-Dīn - LAROUSSE". www.larousse.fr (in French). Retrieved 2024-05-21.

[1] Brill, E. J. (1993). E.J. Brill's First Encyclopaedia of Islam: 1913-1936. A - Bābā Beg. BRILL. ISBN 978-90-04-09787-2.

[2] "ʿAbd al-Ḳādir b. Muḥyī l-Dīn". referenceworks. doi:10.1163/9789004206106_eifo_SIM_0092. Retrieved 2024-05-21.

[3] Larousse, Éditions. "Abd el-Kader en arabe 'Abd al-Qādir ibn Muḥyī al-Dīn - LAROUSSE". www.larousse.fr (in French). Retrieved 2024-05-21.

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